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Old Sep 26th 2009, 09:41 PM
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Lasher approves of your post in general, but it would be much easier to just stop sending ANYTHING to the impoverished nations of the world, and let them either sink or swim. What doesn't kill them will make them stronger. It's the law of nature - the weak die off and allow the strong to flourish. Man is the only animal that nurture's its weak, and that is an unnatural act for any species to adopt. Who was around to succor and protect the brave men and women of the American pioneers who faced the worst elements and conditions one can imagine while forging a new and glorious nation of people? Only themselves. The pioneer spirit that drove our ancestors to explore and develop the west, while taking care of their own needs, and not expecting largess from stronger societies, is what is needed in the world today, not the whining, whimpering, needy type that is getting so much undeserved attention these days by our bleeding-heart, weepy liberals who are liberal with everyone's money except their own.
Capitalism requires a semi-compliant populace for looting of natural resources in undeveloped countries. Far more efficient and cost effective to keep them somewhat starving than fielding military forces to protect those investments. Dictators with accessible military aid and food aid for the populace using humanitarian organizations to eliminate the fear of uncontrollable plagues has been used for quite some time in our self-defined modern society.

You seem far removed from the reality of why ruling elite condone such practices. Perhaps you need professional tax advice. It almost sounds like you believe the US was developed without capital investment.
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Old Sep 26th 2009, 10:50 PM
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Government policy preempts responsible agriculture in this country.

As to the other part of the post, industrial agriculture fertilizer is indeed made from fossil fuels.

And yes we have to eat.
Are all industrial agriculture fertilizers made from fossil fuels? Which fossil fuels, if Lash may inquire?
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Old Sep 27th 2009, 09:50 AM
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Who was around to succor and protect the brave men and women of the American pioneers who faced the worst elements and conditions one can imagine while forging a new and glorious nation of people? Only themselves. The pioneer spirit that drove our ancestors to explore and develop the west, while taking care of their own needs, and not expecting largess from stronger societies, is what is needed in the world today...
Excellent point. Too bad we don't have any lightly populated continents lying around with endless expanses of virgin land ripe for exploitation for these noble pioneers to show us what great people they are.
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Just curious, Andy, what fossil fuels are being pumped into our crops?
Oil an natural gas.

Fertilizers and Pesticides are made from fossil fuels (natural gas). Harvesting, planting, and irrigation equipment is also powered by fossil fuels (oil). Moreover, we also use a tremendous amount of fossil fuels (oil) to transport food from farms, to factories, to slaughter houses, to supermarkets, and ultimately to our dinner table.

Here is an article that goes into detail on this.

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/5045

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Capitalism requires a semi-compliant populace for looting of natural resources in undeveloped countries. Far more efficient and cost effective to keep them somewhat starving than fielding military forces to protect those investments. Dictators with accessible military aid and food aid for the populace using humanitarian organizations to eliminate the fear of uncontrollable plagues has been used for quite some time in our self-defined modern society.

You seem far removed from the reality of why ruling elite condone such practices. Perhaps you need professional tax advice. It almost sounds like you believe the US was developed without capital investment.
Don't say you think all those pioneers who went west to explore and develop America were subsidized by the government, friend, if that's what you think, Lash has a bridge . . .
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Excellent point. Too bad we don't have any lightly populated continents lying around with endless expanses of virgin land ripe for exploitation for these noble pioneers to show us what great people they are.
That isn't necessary, since they have already shown us their spirit and drive to succeed without any help or interference from a "Big Brother" government that would hinder their progress with all sorts of rules, regulations and restrictions as they now do in their quest to enlarge the federal bureaucracy and retard the natural abilities of the American public to do for themselves.
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Oil an natural gas.

Fertilizers and Pesticides are made from fossil fuels (natural gas). Harvesting, planting, and irrigation equipment is also powered by fossil fuels (oil). Moreover, we also use a tremendous amount of fossil fuels (oil) to transport food from farms, to factories, to slaughter houses, to supermarkets, and ultimately to our dinner table.

Here is an article that goes into detail on this.

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/5045

Andrew
Can you name the fertilizers that contain natural gases, and how else do you expect the farmers to plant and reap their crops except with machinery made to do those jobs? Do you want to return to slavery, or do you want to import every Mexican and Latrino in the world to do it?

Your ideas on just how we should transport the products to the marketplace would also be appreciated.

Also, the marketplace seems to be doing a fine job of distribution of their goods.

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Can you name the fertilizers that contain natural gases, and how else do you expect the farmers to plant and reap their crops except with machinery made to do those jobs? Do you want to return to slavery, or do you want to import every Mexican and Latrino in the world to do it?

Your ideas on just how we should transport the products to the marketplace would also be appreciated.
Did you read the article?
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Did you read the article?
Not in its entirety, no, but why didn't you answer my questions?
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Can you name the fertilizers that contain natural gases, and how else do you expect the farmers to plant and reap their crops except with machinery made to do those jobs? Do you want to return to slavery, or do you want to import every Mexican and Latrino [sic]in the world to do it?

Your ideas on just how we should transport the products to the marketplace would also be appreciated.

Also, the marketplace seems to be doing a fine job of distribution of their goods.
The market is not concerned with sustainability.

Do you want the specific trade names of various fertilizers made from fossil fuels? Why don't you do your own research, are you too lazy?

No one is suggesting that you can take all energy input out of the food process. There are numerous ways in which the process can be made more efficient and, consequentially, more sustainable.

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Not in its entirety, no, but why didn't you answer my questions?
Maybe you should read the article.
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