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View Poll Results: Are sport competitions between countries malign?
Yes, they cause nationalism 0 0%
By and large yes 1 25.00%
By and large no 1 25.00%
No, they bring the world together in peace 2 50.00%
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Old Feb 26th 2014, 02:59 AM
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Is it harmful when countries compete in sport?

We all know that in sports fans support their own countries, by and large.

Does this lead to a belief in national superiority?
Does it lead to war?

I say no.
I don't think there are any examples of that in history, and I think sports competitions where countries compete against each other have actually brought the world together.

I think the best example is the football World Cup, but the Olympics also.

I think FIFA should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for bringing the world together in the peaceful playing of football, every 4 years.

What do you think?
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Old Feb 26th 2014, 10:41 AM
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Is it harmful when countries compete in sport?

We all know that in sports fans support their own countries, by and large.

Does this lead to a belief in national superiority?
Does it lead to war?

I say no.
I don't think there are any examples of that in history, and I think sports competitions where countries compete against each other have actually brought the world together.

I think the best example is the football World Cup, but the Olympics also.

I think FIFA should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for bringing the world together in the peaceful playing of football, every 4 years.

What do you think?
Funny enough, I had to do a paper on this subject a couple years ago. As usual, the answer is "it's complicated." I'll try and answer your question though

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Does this lead to a belief in national superiority?
Does it lead to war?
Does it lead to war and nationalism? well no. The idea of the master race is not started because of a soccer team.

That being said, often these national sporting teams are the vehicle of nationalism. If you look at the rhetoric surrounding sporting clubs leading up to World War I you will see that much of it bought into the extreme nationalism that fueled WWI. This is not to say that sporting clubs are responsible or the cause, but they are extremely effective megaphones for nationalism under the right circumstances.

and side note: it's not like the "medal count" is anything other than a media fueled competition. It's not like nations as a whole "win" the olympics.
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Old Feb 26th 2014, 01:05 PM
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Funny enough, I had to do a paper on this subject a couple years ago. As usual, the answer is "it's complicated." I'll try and answer your question though



Does it lead to war and nationalism? well no. The idea of the master race is not started because of a soccer team.

That being said, often these national sporting teams are the vehicle of nationalism. If you look at the rhetoric surrounding sporting clubs leading up to World War I you will see that much of it bought into the extreme nationalism that fueled WWI. This is not to say that sporting clubs are responsible or the cause, but they are extremely effective megaphones for nationalism under the right circumstances.

and side note: it's not like the "medal count" is anything other than a media fueled competition. It's not like nations as a whole "win" the olympics.
Well, that last point is merely a matter of the fact that the CIO hasn't officialised the medals table.

I can't see that the medals table can possibly be more harmful than the fact that there is a winner of the World Volleyball Championships, for example.

But I see you agree with me that sports competitions aren't responsible. If there are nationalists that latch onto them then they merely reflect the fact that society contains some nationalists.

Moreover, I would have thought the fact that the England football team has black and white players playing for it would set an anti-racist example of interracial cooperation. I wonder what Michael would say to that.
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Old Feb 26th 2014, 03:24 PM
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In South America the International games are generally considered the relatively laid back, family friendly competition.

It's the clubs where the knives come out.
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Old Feb 26th 2014, 04:53 PM
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There is actually at least one war that started following a football game:
Football_War

Other than that, many European football teams have a 'side' of hardcore supporters who are racist, nationalistic, anti-Semitic and very violent. These so-called hooligans are less conspicuous than they used to be but they're still around.

So, sport can be a vehicle for nationalism and all that typically follows from it.
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There is actually at least one war that started following a football game:
Football_War

Other than that, many European football teams have a 'side' of hardcore supporters who are racist, nationalistic, anti-Semitic and very violent. These so-called hooligans are less conspicuous than they used to be but they're still around.

So, sport can be a vehicle for nationalism and all that typically follows from it.
Yeah but that's like blaming the '56 Soviet crackdown on Hungary on water polo.
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Yeah but that's like blaming the '56 Soviet crackdown on Hungary on water polo.
I was getting to that
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There is actually at least one war that started following a football game:
Football_War

Other than that, many European football teams have a 'side' of hardcore supporters who are racist, nationalistic, anti-Semitic and very violent. These so-called hooligans are less conspicuous than they used to be but they're still around.

So, sport can be a vehicle for nationalism and all that typically follows from it.
But do you think it is harmful when countries compete in sport?
That is main question of this thread.
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I recall posting a link to a study at this forum some time ago. I can't remember where or when, but it showed that countries that qualified for the FIFA World Cup (for the first time) became somewhat more aggressive/belligerent with respect to their international neighbors in the years immediately afterwards.

That seems relevant to this topic...
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Better compete in sports than wage wars.
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