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Old Sep 18th 2012, 10:32 AM
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I meant important games: Russia-England, Russia-Germany in Euro 2008; Chelsea vs. Manchester United, I think, they played here a couple years back. Etc. All at Luzhniki.
All the matches that I list are the most important home matches that Russia has played since 2010.

Chelsea v Man U was a club match, and UEFA decided to have it in Moscow, so ignore that one.

Russia v Germany was in a final tournament, and those matches will only be played in Russia in 2018, so ignore that one.

Russia met England in a qualifier in 2007, in Moscow, but only about 3% of Russia's home matches will be played against 'big' nations like England.

Please understand that I am only talking about home matches of national teams. Not club matches and not matches in final tournaments.
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Old Sep 18th 2012, 12:24 PM
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Look again at all Ruusia's competive matches, which have been played in Russia since 2010.

And look at how many people were at the matches.

Now tell me;

can you think of a good reason why Russia didn't play one or two matches outside the two biggest cities?

Northern Ireland, 14,300 people (Lokomotive Stadium, Moscow)

Andorra, 38,800 people (Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow)

Republic of Ireland, 50,000 people (Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow)

Macedonia, 31,000 people (Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow)

Armenia, 18,000 people (Petrovsky Stadium, St. Petersburg)

Slovakia, 27,000 people (Lokomotiv Stadium, Moscow)
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Old Sep 18th 2012, 02:37 PM
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Look again at all Ruusia's competive matches, which have been played in Russia since 2010.

And look at how many people were at the matches.

Now tell me;

can you think of a good reason why Russia didn't play one or two matches outside the two biggest cities?

Northern Ireland, 14,300 people (Lokomotive Stadium, Moscow)

Andorra, 38,800 people (Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow)

Republic of Ireland, 50,000 people (Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow)

Macedonia, 31,000 people (Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow)

Armenia, 18,000 people (Petrovsky Stadium, St. Petersburg)

Slovakia, 27,000 people (Lokomotiv Stadium, Moscow)
Well... Security would be one.

You live in Poland. During the recent Euro 2012, you may have had a chance to see what Russian football "fans" are like where there is no OMON to hold them down lol


As things stand, Moscow is the only Russian city at this time, that can easily deploy no less than 500 OMON units for a football game

Those dog units, by the way, may look nice and harmless... until it puts its teeth on you



That's in addition to regular police

plus private club-hired security guards often present at football stadium here these days


Actually, now, there is talk of completely privatizing stadium security
http://sport.gazeta.ru/sport/rfc/201..._4592217.shtml
So, no police or OMON, just private guards and stewards. That is crazy. I am in the industry and I can say, we are not at all ready for something like this.

OMON are trained for this
They know how to do it. Let them continue doing it, I say.

Private riot police... What would that even look like? I suppose we could buy the "equipment".

Shields are worth about five and half thousand rubles on the Internet
http://voen-sklad.ru/category/54_/


And you can find a OMON-issued helmet for 2,000 rubles
http://dmir.ru/obyavleniya/shlem-omo...a-1540644.html


But that is not the point. As people in the comment section in the article say, who will be responsible. With OMON and police in the stadium, the MVD, the Internal Affairs Ministry, answers for them. With private anti-riot units, if they kill somebody, who will be held responsible? No, it is a bad idea, and I hope it will not pass...
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Old Sep 18th 2012, 02:39 PM
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Couldn't some of Russia's home matches be played in Chechnya?
Don't they have sufficient security?
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Old Sep 18th 2012, 02:51 PM
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Couldn't some of Russia's home matches be played in Chechnya?
Don't they have sufficient security?
Is that your sense of humor again?

No, give North Caucasus some time, it will be better.

Western Siberia was like that 200 years ago. Now it's mostly pacified. Tatars too. We'll break the Chechen separatists and Islamists too, eventually. Their spirit or their bodies. All the same
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Old Sep 18th 2012, 02:53 PM
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Is that your sense of humor again?

No, give North Caucasus some time, it will be better.

Western Siberia was like that 200 years ago. Now it's mostly pacified. Tatars too. We'll break the Chechen separatists and Islamists too, eventually. Their spirit or their bodies. All the same
Well, I mean, if all those different ethnic groups are Russian, then surely the Russian football team should have anything to fear, in playing home matches there.

(is that my sense of humour again indeed, )
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Well, I mean, if all those different ethnic groups are Russian, then surely the Russian football team should have anything to fear, in playing home matches there.

(is that my sense of humour again indeed, )
Why does the British team never play in Northern Ireland?

Actually, I have a more serious question, something I cannot understand: if they are all one country, one United Kingdom, why do England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland all have own football teams at world championships and such?
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Old Sep 18th 2012, 04:16 PM
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Why does the British team never play in Northern Ireland?
England played against Northern Ireland in 2005, in Northern Ireland.
But that was an away match. I'm talking about home matches. Why do England never play in Newcastle, Liverpool, Manchester or Southampton?

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Actually, I have a more serious question, something I cannot understand: if they are all one country, one United Kingdom, why do England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland all have own football teams at world championships and such?
That's a very good question.
Make a thread about it, and we can discuss it.
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Actually, I have a more serious question, something I cannot understand: if they are all one country, one United Kingdom, why do England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland all have own football teams at world championships and such?
It is called the politics of the powerful - or 'money talks'. It explains just about everything.

It is simple market economics.
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It is called the politics of the powerful - or 'money talks'. It explains just about everything.

It is simple market economics.
It is that simple and most often ignored by people in general seeking utopian solutions.
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