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Old Nov 4th 2008, 02:50 AM
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I've been ill-ish (no "sniffles" though) and brainless and switched to the 1,462,763th re-read of The Lord of the Rings.
Did you know the Dutch translation is in some ways actually better than the original? This doesn't happen often, but in this case it's actually true.
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Old Nov 4th 2008, 11:33 AM
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Did you know the Dutch translation is in some ways actually better than the original? This doesn't happen often, but in this case it's actually true.
How can a 'foreign' translation be better than the original language of composition?

I'm just curious about what basis you are making for the assertion.
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Old Nov 4th 2008, 02:33 PM
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Did you know the Dutch translation is in some ways actually better than the original? This doesn't happen often, but in this case it's actually true.
I must admit I don't understand it either. How can a translation be better than the original ? I'm just guessing here but do you mean that the vocabulary of the Dutch translation is less archaic than that of Tolkien ? (I've read Dutch translations but it's too long ago to remember).

It's just me of course, but I actually prefer archaic styles, especially that of the 19th century to which Tolkien, in many ways, actually belongs. And I usually go out of my way to read books in their original form, including language.
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Old Nov 4th 2008, 05:34 PM
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How can a 'foreign' translation be better than the original language of composition?

I'm just curious about what basis you are making for the assertion.
With increasing quality of a text, it'll be increasingly complicated to make a translation better than the original. But that does not mean it's impossible, regardless of the quality of the text. I often create better translations than the original text I'm working with. Admittedly, in my case that's no hard feat, but my point is made.

Obviously Lord of the Rings is a great series. And whether or not the Dutch translation is better is obviously subjective. Some people will agree with me, others won't. The translator did win a prize for the quality of his work, but that does not automatically mean it's also better than the original. So my assertion is based on how I think/what I feel about it.
I first read the series when I was 13 in Dutch (my parents had it at home). I read it 4 times in a row. When later I tried to read it in English, I simply could not manage to get through it.

And believe me when I tell you I'm a fervent adherer to the notion that books should be read in their original language, if at all possible. And if that's not an option (because I just can't read all those languages), I'll take an English translation over a Dutch one any day.
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Old Nov 5th 2008, 01:26 AM
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The Quark and the Jaguar: Adventures in the Simple and the Complex: Murray Gell-Mann

I got on this kick of reading books authored by scientists and mathematicians. It is strangely fun. I had to borrow the above book from the public library twice to get through it but thats OK because my page marker was still in it.

This is not an indication that the book is all that complicated. In fact, it was a fairly easy read and really interesting.
Very cool.
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Nassim Nicholas Taleb - The Black Swan
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Old Nov 10th 2008, 07:09 PM
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Nassim Nicholas Taleb - The Black Swan
Very interesting choice!

I am very much in with the 'skeptical' tradition of epistemology.
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Old Nov 12th 2008, 12:19 AM
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Finished all from Tolkien, the last being the Narn I ChÓn Hýrin.
Still in no shape/mood for heavy stuff so started a re-read of Les Misťrables.
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Reading selections from Machiavelli's Discourses.
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