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![]() ...but he knew what he was getting into knowing that prior so he can't get too pissed if I don't have any
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![]() I think all of this needs to be referred back to our many threads (too many to have me go back and re-post them here) that concern the differing ideologies in place here. All of you who are opposed to anything but proven medical science have that position because you were raised to have that position. There are so many cultures around the world that have no concept of the scientific method and yet have developed very effective cures and methods of healing that would have you laughing.
If you hold the position that illness is only physiological and, thus, the same as disease, then you will always pooh-pooh alternative methods that stray from this model. The fact is, the world is filled with people and healers in other cultures who have no such model as their primary one and recognise a spiritual component, an emotional component, an ancestral component, a magical component, etc., to suffering illness. All of them are different and many of them are indeed much older than modern medicine. In fact, you probably owe your existence to an ancestor or two that was a patient of such a healer and was cured of their illness. And before you bring up the survival rates card, in the end, we're all dead. What value is there to a life ended with struggling for a cure that doesn't exist. I watched my father die for seven weeks in a hopeless effort to cure him of something he was largely stoic about for several months leading up to his death. Our medical system needs more humanism and less medicalisation in my opinion. Our culture needs a better attitude towards illness and death. |
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![]() I'm with Greendruid on this. The current Western commercially driven reductionist approach to health is after all only some 70 years old. It's not like before that or elsewhere people were dropping down in the street two at a time on every corner.
In fact, many of the molecules that are now privatized and "patented" have been known to other cultures for centuries and occur naturally in the vegetation, especially in rainforests. The only difference is that in those other contexts the same molecule was not actually known or understood in the scientific sense and the treatment was therefore embellished by ritual. By criticizing or dismissing the ritual due to scepticism one forgets that it's not the ritual that does the healing (although it may well have a benefical additional impact but that's another story) but the molecule. Alas I can't find the link anymore but there was a recent report on the BBC site that mentioned the extensive research that's been done in deciphering Mayan stelae to find out which plants exactly they depict and how they were being used by them. It would appear that the big pharmaceutical companies are much less sceptic about this than the general public. Of course once they do decipher it, the previously freely available molecule will be patented, processed and packaged and cost you or the healthcare services 50 €. Which is what health is all about after all. At least today it is. |
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![]() The thing is if I'm going to take the time to take part in these things or pay money to do them then I want some concrete evidence they work. I'm completely open to the idea there are alternatives out there that work but I'm not simply willing to take somebody's word for it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31190909/ And if these companies are trying to figure out these treatments then I'm happy to pay for them because presently I either do not have access to them or have no way of knowing which ones are really credible. |
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