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Old Aug 19th 2012, 06:20 AM
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If it was possible, would you try to give him the genes that will best help him in his life? Furthermore, would not doing so be considered bad parenting?
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I'd say definitely no.

The genetic lottery is a crapshoot to begin with. Messing with that could have unintended consequences.

I have no desire to pretend that I'm god - I think that's a bit too arrogant.
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I'd say definitely no.

The genetic lottery is a crapshoot to begin with. Messing with that could have unintended consequences.

I have no desire to pretend that I'm god - I think that's a bit too arrogant.
What if clinical testing and then widespread application proved an across the board 25% intelligence improvement on all subjects? Think of the political impact from informed voters.
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What if clinical testing and then widespread application proved an across the board 25% intelligence improvement on all subjects? Think of the political impact from informed voters.
Impact? I'd expect them to vote for instituting eugenics.

I think humans are monsterous enough as they are. I'm not willing to risk making us worse.
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Impact? I'd expect them to vote for instituting eugenics.

I think humans are monsterous enough as they are. I'm not willing to risk making us worse.
We seem to be accomplishing that without genetic engineering assistance.
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We seem to be accomplishing that without genetic engineering assistance.
Yes, that may be so, but at least our present accomplishments are merely cultural and therefore reversable. Altering our own genetics now would tend to forcibly stamp our present biases upon future generations. I'm not so sure that's a good thing. Maybe a higher average level of IQ's might not be a good thing? Nature has a way of surprising us with unintended consequences of our most benign and best intentions.
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There are no genes for high level concepts such as 'helpful in life". Such behaviour is culturally specific and a product of education and/or indoctrination. There aren't even genes for the somewhat lower concept of intelligence. That is an emergent property of the brain which is not intrinsically encoded in DNA. Conceptually, DNA contains the notion 'build a brain of about that size and intricacy', it does not -not even close- detail how each and every neuron is linked. That occurs in a chaotic (technical term) and fractal fashion and is inherently unpredictable. Michael is right, any tampering is a lottery. Any outcome is possible.
(Edit; that's also the reason I'm heavily against GMO's).
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There are no genes for high level concepts such as 'helpful in life". Such behaviour is culturally specific and a product of education and/or indoctrination. There aren't even genes for the somewhat lower concept of intelligence. That is an emergent property of the brain which is not intrinsically encoded in DNA. Conceptually, DNA contains the notion 'build a brain of about that size and intricacy', it does not -not even close- detail how each and every neuron is linked. That occurs in a chaotic (technical term) and fractal fashion and is inherently unpredictable. Michael is right, any tampering is a lottery. Any outcome is possible.
(Edit; that's also the reason I'm heavily against GMO's).
Intelligence is not genetic. Really?
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Intelligence is not genetic. Really?
Not really, no and certainly not in the sense it's presented by the marketing departments of the genetic industry. After all, there's no such thing as IQ dynasties. Very few children of exceptionally intelligent/gifted people have achieved anything close to their parent(s).
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If it was possible, would you try to give him the genes that will best help him in his life? Furthermore, would not doing so be considered bad parenting?
If I had enough faith in the procedure, I could imagine using "genetic engineering" in utero to correct/prevent a disorder or birth defect.

I don't see myself doing anything more than that, though.


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Intelligence is not genetic. Really?
Not really, no and certainly not in the sense it's presented by the marketing departments of the genetic industry. After all, there's no such thing as IQ dynasties. Very few children of exceptionally intelligent/gifted people have achieved anything close to their parent(s).
Might it be better to say that intelligence is not wholly (or even not primarily) genetic?

After all, the size and complexity of the brain aren't wholly irrelevant. And while we might not know how to to fiddle with genes to make make your kid more intelligent, I suspect we could pretty quickly figure out ways to make him much less so.
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