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Old Nov 8th 2011, 04:19 PM
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And you can demonstrate that ants think and plants don't, how, exactly?

Your definition of "life" is fascinating and completely unscientific of course.
I don't have to demonstrate it to most people - most people know what I mean.
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I don't have to demonstrate it to most people - most people know what I mean.
Er... what DO you mean?
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Old Nov 8th 2011, 04:30 PM
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Er... what DO you mean?
Well, come on, I mean ... ants walk, and make decisions - when does a tree make any decision?
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Old Nov 8th 2011, 04:36 PM
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I don't have to demonstrate it to most people - most people know what I mean.
"I just know that it's that way" isn't science. Much of the universe isn't intuitive. And, that people who know little to nothing about insect behavior "know what you mean" is, honestly, less than compelling.


Even finding single-cell (or an equivalent) life on another planet would be mindblowing. It would change so many assumptions that we have made for so long. Plant life - structures of differentiated cells (assuming that alien life is cell-based) working in harmony? That would be beyond words.

The complexity of something like a single yeast cell, and how it is able to grow, metabolize, manage waste, and reproduce is truly mindblowing. The more you learn, the more you don't know, and we're still learning. Brushing these things off as unliving because they haven't achieved some behavior that you are personally valuing is, IMHO, almost offensive.
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"I just know that it's that way" isn't science. Much of the universe isn't intuitive. And, that people who know little to nothing about insect behavior "know what you mean" is, honestly, less than compelling.


Even finding single-cell (or an equivalent) life on another planet would be mindblowing. It would change so many assumptions that we have made for so long. Plant life - structures of differentiated cells (assuming that alien life is cell-based) working in harmony? That would be beyond words.

The complexity of something like a single yeast cell, and how it is able to grow, metabolize, manage waste, and reproduce is truly mindblowing. The more you learn, the more you don't know, and we're still learning. Brushing these things off as unliving because they haven't achieved some behavior that you are personally valuing is, IMHO, almost offensive.
Many things are mind-blowing.
But everyone knows that a computer may be very sophisticated, but it's lack of self-awareness is what reassures us that it's not one of us.
It's the same with plants - they are not self-aware.
Animals are. At least, that's what I think, and what most people think.
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Old Nov 8th 2011, 04:47 PM
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Many things are mind-blowing.
But everyone knows that a computer may be very sophisticated, but it's lack of self-awareness is what reassures us that it's not one of us.
It's the same with plants - they are not self-aware.
Animals are. At least, that's what I think, and what most people think.
What you think is, quite honestly (and no offense intended), irrelevant.

There really isn't any evidence of self-awareness in insects. There isn't any behavior that indicates that there is a sense of "oh, I am a unique individual" in a mosquito. Swat at a mosquito and miss, and it will continue mindlessly on its path towards your arm.

That a plant moves more slowly than you like doesn't mean that it is less aware than a mosquito.
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Swat at a mosquito and miss, and it will continue mindlessly on its path towards your arm.
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Yes, it moves towards one's arm - the mosquito smells blood and thinks "yum yum, I'll have some of that"
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Yes, it moves towards one's arm - the mosquito smells blood and thinks "yum yum, I'll have some of that"
Now you're anthropomorphizing.
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I don't have to demonstrate it to most people - most people know what I mean.
Well, I haven't a clue. I can't imagine ants or mosquitos "thinking" any more than a tree. That makes no sense.

The higher mammals certainly do "think", but insects?
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So you're definition of "life" pertains to the idea of being able to think?

Let me ask you a few questions before I explain why and how plants are life.

1) A newborn that reacts completely on instinct is not life? This fits your definition. Remember this.

2) A person who is brain dead and/or on a ventilator is not considered life either? True, this is a crappy way to live, but technically they are still alive.

Now for my explanation, which I find to be completely silly to begin with, but oh well.

Plants have cells. Sure plant cells are different from animal cells, but they are cells nonetheless. The dictionary states that cells are: "the basic structural unit of all organisms."

Got this so far? Now for the definition of "organism."

1) "a form of life composed of mutually interdependent parts that maintain various vital processes." *Ahh! We have the word "life" in that definition*


2) "a form of life considered as an entity; an animal, plant, fungus, protistan, or moneran." *And! We have the word "plant" in this one.

I won't keep giving you direct definitions but...life is life. Just because a living thing doesn't think doesn't mean it isn't alive. The leaves here in Kentucky have fallen off the trees. They're on the ground, brown and dead. They once were alive and green. (Such a shame the fall colors didn't last long).

Stimuli, metabolism, growth, and reproduction are all things animals go through, as well as plants.

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If this isn't enough for you maybe you should read some books on biology or take a course in it.
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