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Old Jan 3rd 2014, 12:20 PM
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Why do we think that art provides value without pain?

Also, are we talking about the experience of creating art or observing art, or both?
Art as a deliberate creation

The pain of creating art is a pale, bloodless version of the pain of the ethical, just as art is sometimes a pale and bloodless version of nature
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Old Jan 3rd 2014, 12:24 PM
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Art as a deliberate creation

The pain of creating art is a pale, bloodless version of the pain of the ethical, just as art is sometimes a pale and bloodless version of nature
I guess that is an opinion, but I can't see it as backed up by anything beyond preference.
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Art as a deliberate creation
Yes, art is usually a deliberate creation - except when it is not.

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The pain of creating art is a pale, bloodless version of the pain of the ethical, just as art is sometimes a pale and bloodless version of nature
I'd venture to say that ethics, often as not, is just plain pale and bloodless (like most modern art in fact!). I might also add that neither art nor ethics has anything in common with actual nature (which is anything but pale or bloodless).
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I'd venture to say that ethics, often as not, is just plain pale and bloodless.
Then you have yet to understand the ethical
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Then you have yet to understand the ethical
So do I apparently. Care to explain it because I see no relationship whatsoever between art and ethics?
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Old Jan 3rd 2014, 07:42 PM
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So do I apparently. Care to explain it because I see no relationship whatsoever between art and ethics?
Well that surprises me
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Old Jan 3rd 2014, 07:43 PM
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I am also quite interested in what you consider what you are referring to as "The Ethical."

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I am also quite interested in what you consider what you are referring to as "The Ethical."
What do you consider it to be?
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Is art the perversion of the ethical or just the avoidance of it?
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1.Everyone searches for value
2.The proper end of that search is the ethical but it is exceeding hard
3.Art provides value substitute without the pain that is the struggle for the ethical
4.Art therefore is a sop for those not strong enough for the ethical
IMO, this progression breaks down at point 3.

It presumes that "art" has no true value, a presumption which goes against sentiments both ancient and modern. Even putting aside those who believe in "art for art's sake," art may be [and often is] a source of beauty, of pleasure, of inspiration, of devotion, and of enlightenment. It is therefore a valuable and the creation and protection of such art is, itself, ethical.
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What do you consider it to be?
I... don't have a definition for that.
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