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Old May 3rd 2016, 08:30 AM
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It's worth nothing that Jesus made almost no comment (positive or negative) about the government of his own time, neither joining with the zealots to denounce the Roman occupation nor defending the Jewish collaborators. IIRC the statement "Render unto Caesar..." is one of the very few times he even vaguely references the politics of the day, and in context even that is a clear evasion/redirection of a more explicitly political question that was asked of him.

So while I really don't know what he'd say about the draft, there's some reason to think he wouldn't talk about it at all.

And I think you'll find it very difficult to assembly a biblical argument for the idea that "God grants us ourselves."
I'm not religious, but fwiw, from what I learned in Sunday school I'd guess that The Prince of Peace would oppose a military draft if he were here today.
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I'm not religious, but fwiw, from what I learned in Sunday school I'd guess that The Prince of Peace would oppose a military draft if he were here today.
The Prince of Peace? Who the heck is that? I've never heard that term, nor ever observed anyone even remotely qualified for such a title.
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The Prince of Peace? Who the heck is that? I've never heard that term, nor ever observed anyone even remotely qualified for such a title.
Isn't that Jesus?
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The Prince of Peace? Who the heck is that? I've never heard that term, nor ever observed anyone even remotely qualified for such a title.

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http://www.gotquestions.org/Prince-of-Peace.html
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So it is just some prophesy that is assumed to be true.

I see nothing of the kind. I'm not going to blame all war on religion, but one has to be pretty selectively blind not to notice the amount of war and killing that has been done throughout history in the name of this so-called 'Prince of Peace'.
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So it is just some prophesy that is assumed to be true.

I see nothing of the kind. I'm not going to blame all war on religion, but one has to be pretty selectively blind not to notice the amount of war and killing that has been done throughout history in the name of this so-called 'Prince of Peace'.
Short version: It's a title reserved to the kigs of Judah (southern Israel). Later, after Judah was destroyed by the Babylonians the title was applied to the promised Messiah. The very early church then applied the title to Jesus.

In Hebrew the word for peace is shalom. It means something like well being (one of those words that us hard to translate directly). It has very little to do with peace as in "the absence of conflict" (which is how English uses the word).
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Short version: It's a title reserved to the kigs of Judah (southern Israel). Later, after Judah was destroyed by the Babylonians the title was applied to the promised Messiah. The very early church then applied the title to Jesus.

In Hebrew the word for peace is shalom. It means something like well being (one of those words that us hard to translate directly). It has very little to do with peace as in "the absence of conflict" (which is how English uses the word).
arg... typos are what I get for responding on my phone.

Kings of Judah* and one of those words that IS hard to translate directly*

As for your actual question, is it a prophecy? well think of it as mainly promise with a prophecy on the side. Peace, as in the end of conflict, will certainly come, but only at Christ's return.
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Since sovereignty is such an intriguing issue for the modern world which is gauged by the sophistication of social contracts (e.g., European Union, NATO, etc.), I framed this mock-dialogue between Shiva (Hindu god of destruction) and a fictional Devil's Advocate character named Deformer.


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SHIVA: The Internet hacker is the new terrorist.
DEFORMER: Cyber-crime reorients intellectual property laws.
SHIVA: Americans like films such as Ghost in the Machine.
DEFORMER: Wireless communications makes business convenient.
SHIVA: Perhaps technology is redefining national borders.
DEFORMER: Facebook is a globally-accessible public bulletin board.
SHIVA: Facebook allows people to share photos with anyone (for free).
DEFORMER: What's the difference between terrorism and graffiti?
SHIVA: The answer to that question is redefining sovereignty.
DEFORMER: That's because Internet aliases ('avatars') ensure privacy.
SHIVA: I can commit cyber-crimes and then go to Internet chat rooms!
DEFORMER: No one would be able to catch you (easily).
SHIVA: Wikipedia is a peer-edited free online encyclopedia.
DEFORMER: Intellectual property is the new standard for sovereignty.
SHIVA: Copyright protection for Internet-posted art is challenging.
DEFORMER: Internet hackers can create 'dystopian deformities.'

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