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Old May 27th 2011, 02:34 PM
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Donkey, did you in seriousness say that you shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition??????????????????????????????????????? ????

The Anglo-Saxons would say 'The house I live in' they would NEVER say 'The house in which I live' (the words would be different of course, but the structure would have the preposition at the end in the first sentence).

The structure 'The house in which I live' or 'The woman with whom I live' was artificially created just to make English sound more like Latin. A gang sign for academics, nothing more.
I said it should be avoided.


I'm not an Anglo-Saxon*. I don't give a fuck what they would say.


*Sort of.
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Old May 27th 2011, 02:37 PM
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Why should it be avoided?
Shakespeare used it (probably didn't approve of academic snobs' gang signs, that had been artificailly created).
And makes us rather bear those ills we have,
Than fly to others that we know not of.
That is in Hamlet's To Be Or Not To Be Speech, Act 3 Scene 1.

Are you saying Shakespeare was having an off-day, right in the middle of his greatest writing???
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I've not partaken of Dan Brown's work, so I can't speak to it directly. However, I've read some criticisms, so I do understand the hostility. There are so many good authors in the US - Palahniuk's been mentioned, Paolo Bacigalupi is another who deserves mention.

There is certainly something to be said in regards to making art and literature accessible to the common man. However, there's a difference between accessibility and bad writing. Much of what is accessible in popular media is just bad. Witness the most popular films, or what is the most popular theatre. Arguably, books can often be the same way.
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Some of his books were good, but Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons annoyed me. I can't count how much time I had to spend debunking some conspiracy theory about the Church....
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I've not partaken of Dan Brown's work, so I can't speak to it directly. However, I've read some criticisms, so I do understand the hostility. There are so many good authors in the US - Palahniuk's been mentioned, Paolo Bacigalupi is another who deserves mention.

There is certainly something to be said in regards to making art and literature accessible to the common man. However, there's a difference between accessibility and bad writing. Much of what is accessible in popular media is just bad. Witness the most popular films, or what is the most popular theatre. Arguably, books can often be the same way.
Yep. And just because a book is popular does not mean it's bad.

Dan Brown: popular, bad
JK Rowling: popular, good.
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Some of his books were good, but Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons annoyed me. I can't count how much time I had to spend debunking some conspiracy theory about the Church....
And suckers lapped it up as fact, and people like Nick then try to pass it off as "knowledge."
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Why should it be avoided?
Shakespeare used it (probably didn't approve of academic snobs' gang signs, that had been artificailly created).
And makes us rather bear those ills we have,
Than fly to others that we know not of.
That is in Hamlet's To Be Or Not To Be Speech, Act 3 Scene 1.

Are you saying Shakespeare was having an off-day, right in the middle of his greatest writing???
It should be avoided; I didn't say it wasn't passable sometimes.

Or do you think "where's my coat at?" is acceptable use of the English language?
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It should be avoided; I didn't say it wasn't passable sometimes.

Or do you think "where's my coat at?" is acceptable use of the English language?
'Where's my coat at' is very modern. You can say there are 2 prepositions, since you have 'at', and the word 'where' contains a preposition, in itself. You don't need 'at' either at the end, or anywhere else.

So it's modern, and not something that the Anglo-Saxons would use.

But, Mark Twain wrote the way people spoke, and so if an author chooses to do that, then I have no problem with 'where's my coat at'.
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'Where's my coat at' is very modern. You can say there are 2 prepositions, since you have 'at', and the word 'where' contains a preposition, in itself. You don't need 'at' either at the end, or anywhere else.
You know nothing about grammar, do you?

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So it's modern, and not something that the Anglo-Saxons would use.
You know what you sound like?




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But, Mark Twain wrote the way people spoke, and so if an author chooses to do that, then I have no problem with 'where's my coat at'.
Good for Mark Twain. Mark Twain was a brilliant colloquial writer. Dan Brown is an idiot.
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What do you mean by rolling on the floor guffawing at my observations??? That's exactly what he did. Everyone was asking how you Americans could possibly vote for Bush in 2004 (okay, 2000 was a special case). People were seriously beginning to think that Americans were a sandwich short of a picnic. Then Dan Brown came along and hypnotised the world, and rescued America's reputation.
I think Obama's election in 2008 did that more than anything (or anyone) else.
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this thread is facepalm.
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