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Old Jul 29th 2012, 09:42 PM
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Puritanism: Scrupulous moral rigor, especially hostility to social pleasures and indulgences: "Puritanism is the source of our greatest hypocrisies and most crippling illusions" (Molly Haskell).

The Olympics are privately organized and that says it all.
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Puritanism: Scrupulous moral rigor, especially hostility to social pleasures and indulgences: "Puritanism is the source of our greatest hypocrisies and most crippling illusions" (Molly Haskell).

The Olympics are privately organized and that says it all.
"Nihilism ( /ˈnaɪ.ɨlɪzəm/ or /ˈniː.ɨlɪzəm/; from the Latin nihil, nothing) is the philosophical doctrine suggesting the negation of one or more putatively meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value"

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Old Jul 29th 2012, 10:54 PM
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It is if they're all equipped the same.
If athletes are forced to choose between health and medals, there'll be far fewer people taking up the sport competitively.
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Old Jul 29th 2012, 11:29 PM
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I think doping in sport is a pandora's box - once opened, it can never be closed again.

I also believe that doping is massively under-reported and present in just about every sport at every level of competition.
I'm only familiar with the situation in cycling and there it's a complete mess on every level.

It's actually also a competition between pharmaceuticals on the one hand and the investigators on the other as well as competition in that respect between the teams. Those teams which can buy the best doctors have cutting edge performance enhancers (EPO in the 90's and CERA in the 00's) which the investigators only find out about and develop tests for after a few years. During that time these riders get away with it and switch to something new when the tests arrive. It's riders in the poorer teams which only have access to the new stuff when it becomes prevalent who get caught.

The best example of this is of course Lance Armstrong and his team most of whom DID get caught but only years after the facts and victories and not according to the formal mechanisms.

And that brings us to the responsibility of the investigators and the cycling federations. They all know about this situation but keep quiet about it. They leave the big fish alone and focus on trivial cases which they gave a lot of press to give the impression that the matter is well regulated.

And there's more : the doping list itself and its application is completely arbitrary. Some products are on it while others with nearly the same molecule and exactly the same functioning aren't. On top of that, they completely ignore the fact that many of these products are present in the food chain due to the industrialization of food processing. Alberto Contador e.g. was punished for a presence of clenbuterol of 50 picog/l which is 40 times below the norms and could have had no effects on performance whatsoever. His 'case' would be thrown out of any court except the one in cycling.

So people who have taken actual performance enhancing dope by the bucket such as Armstrong get off scot-free while people who have mere traces of an arbitrary product get thrown the book at them.
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Old Jul 30th 2012, 09:32 AM
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I watched China dominate the women's 3-meter synchronized diving and men's 400M freestyle competition. Swimming/diving, tennis and sailing are the extent of my Olympic interest.
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I'm only familiar with the situation in cycling and there it's a complete mess on every level.

It's actually also a competition between pharmaceuticals on the one hand and the investigators on the other as well as competition in that respect between the teams. Those teams which can buy the best doctors have cutting edge performance enhancers (EPO in the 90's and CERA in the 00's) which the investigators only find out about and develop tests for after a few years. During that time these riders get away with it and switch to something new when the tests arrive. It's riders in the poorer teams which only have access to the new stuff when it becomes prevalent who get caught.

The best example of this is of course Lance Armstrong and his team most of whom DID get caught but only years after the facts and victories and not according to the formal mechanisms.

And that brings us to the responsibility of the investigators and the cycling federations. They all know about this situation but keep quiet about it. They leave the big fish alone and focus on trivial cases which they gave a lot of press to give the impression that the matter is well regulated.

And there's more : the doping list itself and its application is completely arbitrary. Some products are on it while others with nearly the same molecule and exactly the same functioning aren't. On top of that, they completely ignore the fact that many of these products are present in the food chain due to the industrialization of food processing. Alberto Contador e.g. was punished for a presence of clenbuterol of 50 picog/l which is 40 times below the norms and could have had no effects on performance whatsoever. His 'case' would be thrown out of any court except the one in cycling.

So people who have taken actual performance enhancing dope by the bucket such as Armstrong get off scot-free while people who have mere traces of an arbitrary product get thrown the book at them.
Nothing new here. The situation is pretty much the same in just about every major sport. Likewise with the corruption of officials ignoring the big winners (dope fiends) and picking on random players from minor countries every once in a while to make it look like they are doing something.

Track and Field is a major mess. Canada's Ben Johnston got his world records, olympic records and gold medal stripped for getting caught with steroids (back in the late 1980's). Carl Lewis (of USA), Johnston's principal opponent has all of his world records, olympic records and gold medals still standing - yet Lewis has admitted to using steriods throughout his entire track & field career.

This is the same pattern you will find in every sport, repeated over and over again.
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I watched China dominate the women's 3-meter synchronized diving and men's 400M freestyle competition. Swimming/diving, tennis and sailing are the extent of my Olympic interest.
Interesting that two of those sports involved semi-undressed women...
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Old Jul 30th 2012, 07:16 PM
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This is the same pattern you will find in every sport, repeated over and over again.
Is it all the sports or just those that have been blessed/burdened with the attention of Big Bucks ?
Actually, scrap that question. The answer is obvious from this list. If it includes rhythmic gymnastics it's all sports
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Old Jul 30th 2012, 07:37 PM
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Interesting that two of those sports involved semi-undressed women...
Only from a personal interest in those sports. Regarding competitive women swimmers/divers with their flat-chests, big asses and giant thighs, I'd rather view them dressed in all-encompassing robes.
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Nothing new here. The situation is pretty much the same in just about every major sport. Likewise with the corruption of officials ignoring the big winners (dope fiends) and picking on random players from minor countries every once in a while to make it look like they are doing something.

Track and Field is a major mess. Canada's Ben Johnston got his world records, olympic records and gold medal stripped for getting caught with steroids (back in the late 1980's). Carl Lewis (of USA), Johnston's principal opponent has all of his world records, olympic records and gold medals still standing - yet Lewis has admitted to using steriods throughout his entire track & field career.

This is the same pattern you will find in every sport, repeated over and over again.
That's why I say legalize the drugs. I think the health issue is a red herring.
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