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Old Feb 14th 2014, 10:04 AM
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It does make sense. Why must an individual suffer simply because they are not yet 18?

This isn't a full throated endorsement of the law... just kind of where my mind is right now.
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Old Feb 14th 2014, 11:03 AM
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It does make sense. Why must an individual suffer simply because they are not yet 18?

This isn't a full throated endorsement of the law... just kind of where my mind is right now.
i don't care. man. keep going over it. it is a hoax. if you believe it then you should see someone. a therapist to be clear and specific. it doesn't make sense.
i am not going to argue non sense.
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Old Feb 14th 2014, 11:20 AM
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i don't care. man. keep going over it. it is a hoax. if you believe it then you should see someone. a therapist to be clear and specific. it doesn't make sense.
i am not going to argue non sense.
It's not a hoax.
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Old Feb 14th 2014, 11:23 AM
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It's not a hoax.
really? then why aren't people out on the streets demanding the invasion of belgium or whatever country just approved this law?
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Old Feb 14th 2014, 11:24 AM
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really? then why aren't people out on the streets demanding the invasion of belgium or whatever country just approved this law?
Why would they?
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Why would they?
would you allow your kid to kill himself if he felt too much pain?
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would you allow your kid to kill himself if he felt too much pain?
My terminally ill child who was experiencing debilitating pain? Yeah I think I would, frankly.
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would you allow your kid to kill himself if he felt too much pain?
If there was no way to cure his illness, then, perhaps I would, yes.
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Old Feb 14th 2014, 12:32 PM
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See. Now you are deciding what your children ought to have a right to. And to be specific, you are deciding that they have a right to end their own lives.

Ok cool. I will give you this extreme example to show you that you guys are bullshiters.

What if your child male or female has an overwhelming urge to have sexual relations with a grown man or women?
And when you tell him No. What if he/she threatens to kill him/her-self?
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Old Feb 14th 2014, 12:42 PM
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Since today, Belgium is the only country in the world where euthanasia for children is legal.

Now, first and foremost I must stress that this has nothing, zilch, nada, niente, rien du tout to do with what e.g. the Nazis did. Just like it was with the 2002 law that made euthanasia legal for adults, it's the person suffering intolerable pain who in principle makes the decision and no one else. 'The gubberment' has no part or rights in this decision.

The obvious problem here is of course whether children are at all capable of making this decision. Does a ten year old really understand death ? I don't think so but the counterargument is equally valid: does anyone really? I don't think so either; as was argued in the discussion, the differentiation between adults and children is entirely arbitrary. And just as it is the case with adults, it is understood that the decision is made in conjunction with all concerned, i.e. next of kin and the medical team that treats them (which also includes psychological support for that matter). So, basically the case for children is considered to be entirely equal to that for adults and that's why the 2002 law has been extended to include minors.

I should also note that this will affect literally at most a handful of cases. There aren't that many cases were children have a disease where the outcome is 100% certain (death) and where they are at the same time still fully cognitive.

Now, some of you might consider this a religious issue rather than an ethical, social, cultural, moral, medical (and whatnot) one and you're of course entitled to bringing that aspect into the discussion but I won't be able to shed much light on it for this particular local situation because religion has played almost no role in the whole discussion here. 'God' wasn't mentioned once in the transcript of the discussion, not even by the Christian democrats.

For the record, the vote went 84 for, 44 against and 12 representatives abstained.

So, what do you all think of this complex and delicate issue ?
This is logically very difficult.

If one accepts the dogma that 'minors' are incapable of giving consent to sexual acts, then one must ask, how can 'minors' be capable of giving concent to their own euthanasia?

And the flipside is of course, if 'minors' are considered capable of this decision of euthanasia, then this opens the floodgates for the sex issue.

Bottom line is that children are either 'minors' incapable of any legal decisions, or they are not.

And if 'minors' are not capable of legal decisions, we are faced with the prospect of 3rd persons pronouncing a sentence of 'death' upon innocent children. How can one validate a law that gives power to adults, with presumed good intentions, to kill children?

There is nothing in the world I fear more than 'do-gooders with good intentions'. I would never trust such people.
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