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Old Dec 26th 2014, 11:04 AM
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"To whom this may concern" has the same meaning as "To who this may concern."

Are there any instances where "whom" clarifies anything, or adds extra meaning to the word "who"?

If the word "whom" adds no meaning, and only adds to confusion as to when it "should" be used, would it be okay if we just eliminated it?
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Old Dec 26th 2014, 11:33 AM
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Do as thou wilt but I'll continue to use it. I didn't learn English (or French or German) to use it sloppily. The state of writing is catastrophic enough as it is (check any social media).
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"To whom this may concern" has the same meaning as "To who this may concern."

Are there any instances where "whom" clarifies anything, or adds extra meaning to the word "who"?

If the word "whom" adds no meaning, and only adds to confusion as to when it "should" be used, would it be okay if we just eliminated it?
If you eliminated it and other people do the same, it will be just a matter of time before the word will become anachronistic. Rather like the way "irregardless" or "inflammable" have become non-words.

The 'rules' of English language are not actual rules - they are guides of actual usage. English evolves all the time.
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Old Dec 31st 2014, 07:53 AM
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Also regarding vocabulary, it seems that the word "actress" is being dropped for female movie stars in favor of the "actor."

And, oppositely, Rush Limbaugh has introduced new sexist words like "journalette" instead of journalist for female reporters in an apparent attempt to diminish and degrade them. He's done that with some other words, too, that don't come to mind right now.

I've heard that in the Finnish language there are no sex-determinate words at all like he/she or him/her, while in French even tables and chairs have gender.

Fwiw, I'm in favor of such things as dropping the word "actress" in favor of using actor for both men, women and people of indeterminate sex like Divine.
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Also regarding vocabulary, it seems that the word "actress" is being dropped for female movie stars in favor of the "actor."
Same with waiter/waitress - they are now called a "server".

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And, oppositely, Rush Limbaugh has introduced new sexist words like "journalette" instead of journalist for female reporters in an apparent attempt to diminish and degrade them. He's done that with some other words, too, that don't come to mind right now.
Yes, Limbaugh has a reputation for being a racist and sexist pig. He's also a drug addict and diddles little girls.
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Just remembered- "infobabe" for women TV newscaster.
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Just remembered- "infobabe" for women TV newscaster.
That's right up there with "spokesmodel".
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I've heard that in the Finnish language there are no sex-determinate words at all like he/she or him/her, while in French even tables and chairs have gender.
Tables and chairs don't have genders, the words for them have. This is far from specific to French. E.g. Dutch, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese etc. have that too.
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Behold: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/who_vs_whom

Explanation and justification for proper usage all wrapped up in tidy little comic.
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Old Jan 8th 2015, 06:12 AM
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Behold: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/who_vs_whom

Explanation and justification for proper usage all wrapped up in tidy little comic.
Yes, that's cute, but the word "whom" still serves no useful purpose, or if I'm wrong, what is it's purpose?

Imho the only thing "whom" does is make the English language just a tiny bit more difficult to learn.
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